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networking folks: the minimum Ethernet frame size is 64 octets, right? does that include the FCS?

i did look at the 802.3 spec and it says this, which doesn't clarify much

Andrew Zonenberg

@whitequark yes, 64 octets including src/dest MAC, 802.1q tag if present, ethertype/length, frame body, and FCS.

Preamble/SFD and interframe gap do not count towards the 64