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community! I predict national firewalls completely segmenting the Internet within the next 10y. What will be the FREE alternative Internet? Will there even be one?

@seb the problem with creating a free alternative to the internet is the infrastructure involved

unless you can convince everyone around you to let you run wires around the place, it's not gonna happen

@sylveon @seb long range wireless would make things like that easier, that way you wouldn't have to get everyone on board, just a few people in geographically advantageous positions

or use IP over trebuchet

@troubleMoney @seb you really think that a government that censors the internet that much wouldn't also heavily control any consumer wireless stuff?

@sylveon @seb I was thinking more like cantennas and other DIY options than off-the-shelf solutions

@troubleMoney @seb even a cantenna can't go more than a mile at best

and in a dystopian scenario, they'd likely be actively trying to block unauthorized wireless communications

in the end, our best option is probably just to vote for people who won't censor the internet

@seb I would bet money you’re right. Alternatives will involve alternatives to DNS.

@seb a method of resolving that doesn’t involve fake nonprofits (ICANN) or manipulation by for profits.

@sillystring @seb

Silly string has got it... a combination of TOR-like functionality, and direct IP/ Dns alternatives.

@thegibson @sillystring What if you need a visa to cross digital borders?

@seb @thegibson @sillystring lol, everything is locked by SSO and you have to contact your local admin to gain access to other routes via approval and background check .

@seb @thegibson @sillystring Like, each IP packet has to be signed with a key, issued for each citizen. The social score is taken into account in the routing rules.

@sillystring @seb @TheGibson I was always saddened that the only really ideal use of blockchains, Namecoin, never took off.
There've been a few good ideas since, but Namecoin seemed like the prototypical "good use of blockchain" and it kinda got forgotten fast.

@seb No, next there will be just biometric locks on every door, and a lot of such doors.

@seb

1) Internet overlay networks like Yggdrasil.
2) Satellite Internet access
3) Short-distance radio networks
4) Long-distance radio networks

@kravietz @seb came here to suggest IP over long range AM or similar

@kravietz
3-4 wouldn't work in Cuba. The state sometimes jams signals
@seb

@seb You might have heard of Freifunk? They try to do this to a certain degree. Building a self-sufficient network infrastructure. But in most cases, it doesn't work that well, due to missing participation and simply large distances.

AFAIK the largest physical network is hyperboria.net/ based on cjdns. Maybe that's an idea. 🤷

@seb we’ll never know what it’s called and it’s probably already in place ;)

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