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chesheer

So I nuked my openSUSE Tumbleweed installation the other day in favour of #LMDE 6 "Faye". There were several reasons: 1) KDE is great, but still too buggy, and I don't need 99% of its features; 2) rolling releases are not for me: I hate updates and dislike new versions of software, also Tumbleweed can easily brick your workflow with hasty kernel upgrades (barely dodged this bullet).
LMDE on the other hand is based on #Debian (me and Debian we have hard relationships, I never managed to make it work for some absurd reasons) and features stability, lack of unnecessary updates and, as a consequence, older versions of software.
I like that it works basically right out of the box. I feel I'm getting too old for barebones systems you can hack yourself. Now I just want to work as quick as possible.
I never used #Cinnamon much, but it seems OK. Just enough features to tune some things up, but not too much, like in KDE.
Some software is a little too old. Emacs from repos was version 28, so it couldn't pick up my configs. Note to self: don't use features from newest versions in your config files. I had to build it from source, so not a problem.
ZFS tools is also a little too old for my main ZFS pool and can't import my pool due to unsupported features. I guess I could try to build it from source too. But here be dragons, I fear.

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Charlotte Aten

I've installed Linux Mint Debian Edition onto one of my machines! I have been using Mint (the one made using Ubuntu) for about a decade and I'm happy to finally cut #Amazon out of the loop.

Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) feels almost exactly like Linux Mint. The only difference I've noticed is that it asks me about the GRUB bootloader more at setup than I recall from Linux Mint.

If all continues to go well with my first machine, I'll be switching the other machines to Debian Edition, as well.

I had a hard time finding information on the differences between specifically Debian and LMDE online that wasn't just AI-generated clickbait garbage, but I have the general impression that LMDE has more set up for me at the outset, which is what I prefer.

#Linux#LinuxMint#Ubuntu
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squinky

Day 2 of running #LMDE instead of Ubuntu.

The fact that this is built on Debian Bookworm (stable, 2023) is really starting to show. I couldn't get it to pair with my bluetooth mouse out of the box, but fortunately I know the cheat codes. I backported the version of `blueman` that's in Trixie (debian testing), and it popped up fine. The BT mouse is not optional because this damned Dell XPS trackpad just dies after a certain amount of uptime.

I'm using Flatpak for certain extremely corporate things like Spotify and Steam, and I installed Neovim from an AppImage because compiling nvim is less fun than dental surgery.

I wouldn't have had a problem with Ubuntu snaps if they weren't forcing core desktop functionality into them, like web browsers and things. In LMDE the killer app for these sorts of packages are when you want to do things that are newer than Debian provides, and have too many dependencies to provide via backport upgrades.

Overall though I like the Cinnamon desktop too. It feels like a nice mid-point between GNOME and XFCE, the latter of which I used for years just to avoid GNOME bloat. I'm pretty happy with all this.

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undead

Me, installing #OpenBSD desktop... 3 min later, done. Maybe a couple of curses under my breath while trying to configure fonts for my system under cwm.

Me, installing #LMDE desktop... 5 min later, done. Then a tediuously long and colorfully curse laden argument with my computer asking why the screensaver doesn't actually do anything, and why is there no authoritative troubleshooting guide for GPU drivers, and why do all the GPU tools have different conflicting outputs for the same hardware, and...

5 hours later, I figured out I had to install and load Xscreensaver (still not working right under LMDE) and fix my fps settings with a game. All of the forum posts were wrong. Some would have bricked my box. All the posts did was give me reasons to waste my time until I found what I needed through an hours long process of elimination, similar to the documentation process you need to follow when sitting for your CCIE exam, but you aren't paying for the privilege, and you are just wasting time.

Still, this is loads better than when a Windows or Mac desktop has problems.

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undead

Now it is late Saturday morning, and the #LMDE install is done on my media server.

All the video sites are set up in Firefox. Games are being downloaded.

Radeon support was already in there.

Aside from some weirdness with the installer not knowing where to install grub (which doesn't seem to be an issue, it reboots... so?), everything works fine.

Which is almost as clean as an OpenBSD install. Still, cursed a bit about:

  • Why #Debian thinks a user is going to magically know where #grub goes on a new install without, I don't know, probing to see where the fuck grub actually is.
  • Not listing non-free in the sources checkbox. Yes, it supposedly is "just there", but I need to know it is "just there".
#debian#grub
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undead

Hey, its Friday night!

What am I doing?

Installing #LMDE on my new home media system.

By "new", I mean cheapest refurb Dell that had ok specs and a video card slot. By video card, I meant sub=$100 passively cooled Radeon.

This is peak computing. #TiPC

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XAG.info 💻📱⚙️🖥

Darum ging es mir ja: es einfach probieren und erfahren, dass eine Linux-Installation einfacher ist, als eine mit Windows: Keine Lizenz, kein Hersteller-Konto, keine Datenschutz-Klimmzüge.
Trotzdem sollte man die Chance nutzen und sich ganz auf Linux einzulassen, nicht versuchen, ein Windows nachzuahmen.
Meine Empfehlung ist auch Linux Mint – allerdings in der Debian-Edition „LMDE“:
linuxmint.com/download_lmde.ph

#LMDE

@Erika @kalivene

linuxmint.comDownload LMDE 6 - Linux MintLinux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.
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Death by Lambda

@Linux_Is_Best @zak
Your later post, misskey.de/notes/a2lxrfrwj6 notwithstanding, I still disagree with you.

I converted from Ubuntu-based #Mint to #LMDE as soon it was released and I've never looked back.

Every now and again I need to manually change the apt sources, to match the new release and that's it.

Since 2016.

misskey.deLinux Is Best (@Linux_Is_Best)Why I do NOT recommend Linux Mint to newbies. If you have ever considered trying, Linux, someone likely told you: "Linux Mint is great for newbies." I would argue you were misinformed. I'll keep it simple and ask you, have you ever tried to make a copy of a copy? That's Linux Mint. It starts from Debian which is forked to Ubuntu, which is later forked to Mint Linux. You have far too many upstream developments (2), and like any software, occasionally bugs happen, but in Mint it happens more frequently because you have the issue from Debian or Ubuntu or Mint or a random combination of one or more into a "hot mess". On top of this, most of the people within the Linux Mint community are "old school" users who will insist you learn and use the terminal for everything, within that "hot mess" of a broken up system. Even when there is a GUI. That is comparable to a 1st time PC user, being told to use Microsoft PowerShell for everything. Sure, you can, but would you want to? There are far better alternatives, for example, Ultramarine Linux (I suggest the KDE Plasma build). 1st, all the drivers, firmware, non-free media codecs and repos, are already included. You don't have to set any of that up. 2nd, if you know how to use an app store, you can use the one provided with Ultramarine Linux. 3rd, everything from adding a printer to changing user settings or setting up an optional firewall, DNS, VPN, etc. just with a mouse click. 4th, go ahead and download an RPM package, and double-click, it will install just as easily as a Windows Setup File. Ultramarine Linux is just 1 out of many possible distros you can use, without all the nonsense. There really are better alternatives than Linux Mint. > "But... but.... I used the Debian Edition of Mint" Which they hardly support. The problem with their Debian Edition is they make their Mint modification and then that's it. You're getting all your patches from Debian, which sounds good on principle, as it doesn't have so much upstream, but those modifications which Mint made are outside Debian, and whatever may be broken, stays broken, long-term, and are exclusive to Mint Debian, while they focus on their Ubuntu based copy. And of course, it is the same "old school" community that want you, a newbie, who knows nothing, and wanted an easy experience, to use the terminal for everything. As a newbie, Mint Linux or Linux Mint (however you call it), is not the newbie friendly Linux distro you have been led to believe. I can build Linux from source, something I don't expect a newbie to do, but even I have found Mint frustrating at times, because it is a "hot mess". But I digress. There are (many) better alternatives out there and if your 1st experience with Linux was Linux Mint and you gave up shortly afterward, I can understand as to why. IN before the Linux Mint groupies claim how wrong I am, but YOU (reader), who may have given up after trying Mint, decide for yourself, by trying something else.
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